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Can understanding the roots of climate denial and confronting its consequences shape a better future for our planet?

David Lipsky, acclaimed author and journalist, delves into this critical issue in his latest book, The Parrot and the Igloo, revealing the profound impact of climate denial on our global trajectory.

In this episode, we explore the world of climate change and the science of denial with acclaimed, New York Times bestselling author David Lipsky.

His latest book, The Parrot and the Igloo: Climate and the Science of Denial, unravels the complex web of climate change, historical perspectives, and the intricate dance of denial that has shaped our current predicament. From the pioneering scientists of the 19th century to the modern-day deniers, Lipsky takes us on a journey through time, exploring the human ingenuity and fallibility that have both created and hindered our understanding of climate change.

In our discussion we begin with a brief overview of David Lipsky's career and his notable works, including Although of Course You End Up Becoming Yourself and Absolutely American.

David Lipsky’s insights are both profound and engaging, providing a comprehensive look at the history and current state of climate change and denial. He highlights the human capacity for both innovation and deceit, showing how our progress has brought us to this critical juncture. Through his detailed storytelling, Lipsky makes complex scientific concepts accessible and relatable, urging listeners to understand the gravity of climate change and the importance of action.

“The ability to lie professionally really reached an apogee just at the moment that this issue of climate changing matured as a political question."- -David Lipsky.

David’s explanation of the origins of climate science is particularly enlightening. He recounts how Joseph Fourier in the early 1800s asked the fundamental question of why Earth retains heat, leading to John Tyndall’s mid-19th-century experiments that identified carbon dioxide and water vapor as key factors. Svante Arrhenius’s calculations in the 1890s, predicting the impact of increased carbon dioxide on global temperatures, are also explored, illustrating the long-standing awareness of climate issues.

Lipsky doesn't shy away from the darker aspects of human nature. He delves into the rise of climate change denial, detailing how key figures and organizations have systematically propagated misinformation to stall climate action. This narrative underscores the importance of media literacy and critical thinking in an age of digital misinformation.

The human dimension of climate change is brought to the forefront through personal anecdotes and stories, making the scientific discourse more relatable. Lipsky’s portrayal of the emotional and psychological aspects of confronting climate change provides a deeper understanding of the challenges we face.

Looking forward, Lipsky offers a message of hope and resilience. He emphasizes the role of innovation and human creativity in addressing climate challenges, highlighting potential solutions and actions that individuals and communities can take. His thoughts on the future of climate action underscore the impor

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🎙️ In this episode, we discuss:

Deborah and David discuss David's books, including "Absolutely American", "Although Of Course You End Up Becoming Yourself" about his road trip with David Foster Wallace, and his latest book "The Parrot and the Igloo" about climate change denial.
The meaning behind the title "The Parrot and the Igloo" and how David structured the book in three sections.
David explains the discovery of the greenhouse effect and how carbon dioxide traps heat like a blanket.
The challenges of communicating about climate change and getting people to focus on the issue.
David describes people's reactions when the topic of climate change comes up, with many hoping the topic will go away since no action is being taken.Introduction to David Lipsky and his award winning books
Origins of climate science and key historical figures
The rise of climate change denial over seventy years ago
The role of media and communication in shaping public perception
Personal stories and the human dimension of climate change
Solutions and hope for the future